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Sephiroth
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5/08/2004
00:37:59

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Pope, the insane amount of lack of knowledge on your part is ridiculous. I never once said Nascar had green-lights, I was referring to the f*cking lights in town. And you are also dead-wrong about working the engine harder with 3:55 gearing. It works harder when you push the pedal farther. Simply accelerating normally does not work it a damn bit harder, you just accelerate slower.

I won't even comment on your idiocy about gearing. You've just talked yourself into the all time idiots' hall of fame. I mean there's so much to cover here. For one, going downhill is totally different from driving. You're telling me you drive downhill to work, then downhill back? How the f*ck does that work? I mean it's common-f*cking-sense. Higher operating RPMs produce more power, but it consumes more fuel unless you lean your mixture. If higher RPMs gave better mileage, I'd be driving 130mph to and from work and getting 200mpg. Instead I drive the limit and get 19.6mpg average. And yes, when I f*cking cruise at speeds above 80mph, my mileage starts dropping due to increased RPMs.

Now what the f*ck were you saying earlier about stock sh*t? How does hauling a heavy-ass boat make my truck get better mileage?? If that's the case I'd haul the damn thing everywhere. You're dead-backwards ont he subject of weight and torque. What the hell is wrong with you man, are you high or something? And hauling a trailer of any kind doesn't have sh*t to do with my truck being stock or not! Changing the exhaust, cams, or intake makes it non-stock, not hauling something.

I suggest you do a lot of homework before EVER making such an idiot of yourself again. I mean I've seen stupid, but the lack of knowledge displayed here is just too much to comment on. Jesus, I could go on and on and prove you wrong in every way here. People like you need to be lined up and shot, then left to rot. Your breed of idiocy has no right to reproduce.



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5/08/2004
01:37:05

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What a mouth on that guy !!!!



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5/08/2004
09:58:25

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Sephiroth-

How old are you? Making comments about lining people up and shooting them because of a difference of opinion does not add to anyones credibility....It will not help others to understand your perspective either. If you absolutely must prove that you are correct on any given subject then you will always have other people challenging your statements.

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Sephiroth
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5/08/2004
11:31:06

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I'm 24. Granted, I ain't old and wise yet, but I'm seeing more and more idiots who have trouble remembering to breathe in this world, and it pisses me off because it's usually idiots who wind up running things, and are also the cause of certain horrendous American conditions, which I won't go into here.

Still, the rest is common knowledge and I am not sure how to explain it any simpler. Everybody knows that when you go with the more powerful gearing in anything (even RC cars), while you gain torque/hp, your engine turns more and sucks more gas. Only way I could explain it simpler would be to cram somebody into an engine and let them experience it in both situations. I mean, you don't expect to magically gain extra horses at no cost, right? If anybody does, they've got problems.



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5/08/2004
12:43:10

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Ok one more time, i swapped my 3.55 to 4.10 in my 2003 4.7 auto 4x4 and i still get the same gas mileage.



Sephiroth
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5/08/2004
13:03:54

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Physically impossible without other mods at the same time. To get the same mileage at higher RPMs (you suck more gas with higher RPMs) you would have to lean the fuel/air mixture so you're actually NOT sucking more gas, change your tranny garing so you can maintain the same RPMs engine-side, or do one of a billion other things to modify the truck so you either suck less fuel/get better combustion, or keep your engine RPMs down at the old level.



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5/08/2004
20:36:33

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Learn to read mother fu[ker! I didn't say pulling a boat gives you better mileage ass hole! I said a boat makes a dakota not stock! If you pull a boat withh 3.55's and I pull the same boat with 4.10 gears, I get the better mileage you fu[king dick eater! Stop telling me that I am wrong. You are the only one who agrees with you. Do my homework! lol You are fu[king funny, and have no idea who you are talking to! Gears is what I do for a living! Notice that nobody else has said that I am wrong! You are the uneducated one dick face! In a full out stock truck that cruises the highway, put high gears in it. In anything but use lower gears. If you tow, or race, or do city driving het lower ones! You did say NASCAR has green lights, and you also said it was drag racing! Stop arguing with people who know what they are talking about! Will everybody here please tell him that he is wrong? If for no other reason than to make him feel stupid!



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5/09/2004
00:00:14

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Being i started the post - can i also end it?
When i get my gears in next week, i will give as as accurate results (with my truck) as i can. I will also say that, (in my days) I have seem many times over the same truck -the same set-up exact, can be very differnt. No two trucks are the same. (like humans) Where it be milage, torque, penis size ) etc. They (it) will vary to some degree!!
Ones own opionion will not sway another o.k. They will either agree or disagree. Point being made!



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5/09/2004
00:09:25

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sephiroth:
if anyone needs to learn how to breathe it is you.whether you are right or wrong i do not care.you are getting all worked up for nothing.you assume "everyone knows" is a immature statement.everyone does not know everything.this site is to help people.some advice is good or it is bad. that is the chance taken.if you want to correct someone breathe and tell the reasons why.once you start tearing someone down they stop listening and you may have a valid point but noone wants to here the extra b#llsh#t.



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5/09/2004
00:42:30

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But i will say- man, I can't wait to get those gears in.
That's what its all about!!!!!



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5/09/2004
01:26:50

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I agree you need to calm down, and maybe seek professional help. you need anger control bad. you do have some truthful stuff, but i guess you are not quite the expert you think you are. the pope also seems kinda like a dick. but his info seems better. IMO.



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5/09/2004
10:35:19

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Sephiroth-

Im not claiming that you do not know what you are trying to explain to others so please dont think that Im trying to give you a hard time. I understand that there are definately a lot of people here and everywhere else that "think" that they know more than they do.
But, the only way to get your point across is to explain details with courtesy and respect even if the other dude is a loser and ill-educated. This forum can be a great place to come and check out the latest facts, etc if we can deal with each other with mutual respect.
I definately dont want to lecture anyone but I also would like to see less bickering and more knowledgeable folks who have positive attitudes regardless of how much they contribute when it comes time to offer fact/info.
Its cool bro antime you want to post to me feel free because Im down with sharing ideas and information- thats why I come here! Take care.

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5/09/2004
10:47:41

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Pope-

Cmon dude there is no reason to get hostile and severely disrespectful because of a disagreement on the net. Just because most everyone remains anonymous does not constitute such disrespect dude!
Not to offend you man but your grammer is not exactly fluid and easy to understand in a couple of your posts. Not trying to bash you just pointing out that with the way you have constructed your posts there is a lot left up to interpretation...
You made a comment about towing/racing/city driving and to "get lower gears". Not quite sure how to interpret that. Please understand Im not flaming you just trying to be fair here. Take care

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Sephiroth
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5/09/2004
12:23:43

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You f*cking idiots need to open your eyes. Was I the one who came on all pissy and starting to flame? No. Was I the one who openly attacked with no provocation? No. Was I the one makoing blatantly false statements? No. Read the damn thread people, this idiot 'pope' is just here trying to pick a fight. The poor kid probably gets beat for crap like this at home so he vents online where his parents won't catch him. I mean how else can one afford to be so immature and ignorant? I mean hell, if turning 5000rpm gives better mileage than 2000rpm, then f*cking sign me up for a 1:50000 rear-end. I'll run the motor at 5billion rpm and get 400,000mpg. Any idiot who thinks that sucking more fuel due to operating at higher rpms does not deserve to drive. That is common-sense. There is no other way to describe it. I mean if each injector uses say, one ounce of fuel per injection, then at 2000rpm if it used 1gal of fuel per minute, how much would it use at 5000rpm? It's common-f*cking-sense here! We're talking third-grade stuff, not rocket-science!



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5/09/2004
13:04:28

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This guy just doesn't learn.



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5/11/2004
23:56:41

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Sephiroth: "Any idiot who thinks that sucking more fuel due to operating at higher rpms does not deserve to drive"

I hate to tell you this, but it is possible to get better gas mileage at higher rpms. It is a little thing called efficency.



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5/12/2004
00:52:52

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LOL! Gotta' love idiot-newbies who reply to posts that've been dead for a while.

OK smart-ass, higher RPMs mean faster engine-wear as well as generating more heat and burning more fuel (less returns). How the hell does that save gas, or for that matter, become more efficient?! Man I lvoe guys who smoke crap, it's hilarious!



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5/12/2004
22:18:51

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Drive a 5 speed dak, and lug it down in every gear. Shift that mother at 1'100 rpm everytime. Tell me what kind of mileage you get. I'll but it sucks. It means you should be in 5th gear going through town.



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5/12/2004
23:04:20

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Yeah exactly, but fifth gear in town traffic (around 35-45mph) is low rpms, just a hair above what you mentioned. Did youmean shift at high rpm and drive low, or shift at low and drive through town in like, first?



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5/12/2004
23:21:02

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Well, shoot, down here in Texas, you know, where
incest is best, .........J/K!

But really, I'm not saying anyone is wrong about anything, don't really care.

But I will say, that my N/A, non stock 4.7, WITH the 5 spd you have to shift, gets alittle better mileage at some highway speeds, in 4th gear, rather than 5th gear, with a 3.55 rear end LSD, While towing my sailboat!
Someone said something about efficiency? They obviously meant that sometimes, you can use a lesser throttle setting, at a higher rpm, to achieve the same output, or highway speed, depending on the load that is on the system.

Now who did that rub the wrong way?



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