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Jonh
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9/09/2003
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I have a 98 r/t c/c completely stock. I know a friend who just bought a audi s4. I know his car is faster but we never raced each other.Anyways I donīt wanna lose for a import!
What Do you guys think I need to change on my truckīs engine to beat him 1/4 mile times? No nos or supercharger......
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Jonh
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Crusty
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9/09/2003
11:41:13
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A lot. Lets see...he has AWD, unlike you with traction problems. Two turbos, uh huh, and oh yeah it weighs a lot less since it is a car not a pickup.
Intake, exhuast, M1 2bbl intake manifold, headers, 1.7 RR's, traction bars, computer flash, and a strict diet program for both your truck and yourself. Any weight lost is good.
And just for you conscience, his car cost way more than your Dak.
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Jonh
Dodge Dakota
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9/09/2003
18:59:36
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Whatīs the stock 1/4 mile time for this Audi?
What should be the 1/4mile for the R/T with these mods? Can I beat him on street tires?
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Jonh
1998 CC R/T
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Jonh
Dodge Dakota
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9/09/2003
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Oooppss..... Do you guys know what are the best traction bars for the R/T?
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Zach
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9/09/2003
19:24:36
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I thought the new s4 had the 4.2 v8 in it?
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jeremy
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9/09/2003
21:06:29
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zach, the 2004 models do have a v8 and 340 horses stock. They made very few s4's in 2002, and zero of them in 2003. I bought my 2001 s4 for a thousand dollars less then my dakota. Jonh, your comparing apples to oranges man. I'm not sure exactly what the times are becuase the closest track to my area is more then a hundred miles away. This is the fastest car i've ever been in, and i love the thing. I suppose with a heavily modded dak, and a friend that can't handle a car like this and you might beat him, but your truck will never beat his car. nitrous super charger or other wise. Like i said, apples to oranges. Just out of curiosity, what year is his, and have you ridden in it yet? I'd highly recommend doing what ever it takes to let him let you drive it. lol
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Ray
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9/09/2003
22:41:03
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jeremy:
its not apples to oranges..
its apples to bricks. trucks vs cars....two totally differnet classes...domestic vs import.
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Spencer
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9/10/2003
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i have a friend with a twin turbo S4 and it runs 14 flat, you need alot of fiberglass body parts, get some caltracs, the smallest slicks you can get to hook, and the performance mods listed above...you would need to shave about 500 pounds off, aluminum wheels, fiberglass fenders, hood, a lexan rear window could help some (cant have it in the front), glass doors, so basically you would have to make your truck a full race truck just to compete without some major engine mods
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gotanRT
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9/10/2003
09:43:33
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hahaha apples and bricks...i like my brick...God i hate ricers
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jeremy
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9/10/2003
17:23:59
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haha, explain how an ultra classy car like the audi bmw or mercedes is a ricer. You are aware these vehicles aren't from japan right? lol
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Jonh
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9/10/2003
18:55:17
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My friendīs S4 is a 2001 V6 2.7L twin turbo and it has 265 horses(crank). He is gonna take me for a ride next weekend and Iīm not expecting alot from its engine performance exept for the AWD.
I know that my R/T wiht some mods will be able to beat that import at 1/4 mile times. If not Iīm gonna add hoosiers and 100 shot of juice in the near future... My R/T has muscle power. I have 360 cubics to work on it and his car is no more than that.
I hate imports!
I told my friend to buy an used dodge viper but he didnīt listen to me. Now Iīm gonna kick my friendīs car butt!
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jeremy
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9/11/2003
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Alright chief, you get nos and a kenne bell, and he'll still beat you. Wait until next week and you'll believe me. If your not expecting much from twin turbos then you'll be suprised. Don't punk out dude, there is no shame is losing to a better car. I've seen s4's beat a viper and a vette because the drivers just couldn't get their car to hook up. Plus, with heated/cooled leather, 8 speaker bose system, and the classy styling, your friend made the right choice. Obviously if you feel your truck may be inferior then you made the wrong choice. If you want to be the fastest thing on the road then why did you buy a truck?
p.s. I'll put my pink slip on a race with your r/t. Where are you from?
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Jonh
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9/11/2003
17:08:16
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Jeremy, I still donīt believe that car is all that your talking about. It may be faster on the street. I agree with you. But when it comes to drag racing things are different and I will use every thing to be faster than him. You guys americans know more than me when you have V8 under the hood everything is possible. When I was in USA Few years ago I ve seen OEM Viper smoking a Lamborghini Diablo by a sec. and 9 seconds street legal V8īs and 11, 12 second trucks.
I also know audi S4 is a fast car but you tell me that a supercharger/nitrous combo is not enough to A R/T beat a low 14 sec car! Come on!
Thatīs why I need your help. I donīt live in US.
Iīm from Brazil and unfortunately here in my country most of people loves and wishes porsches, BMWīs, mercedes, Audis and Ferraris.
I donīt and I love spank these cars! I love American V8 powered old cars, trucks, big blocks and most of the cars that come with V8 under the hood! I also have many friends with american V8 cars and trucks like me. I have a camaro that Iīm working on just for drag racing use more than 4 years!
Unfortunately here in my country we donīt have the conditions you have there, our gasoline is expensive most of our cars are european piece of shiĻ%#t and expensive! most of the cars are Fuc**##n 4 and 6 cylinders. Thatīs why I canīt disapoint America being spanked by a piece of shiitt Volksvagen engine! youīll see that is possible! His car can have better brakes and can have better handling and aceleration now but will never have the "performance packages" availability that a 360 mopar engine and trans have. You know more than me. I know is a car Vs truck and he has the advantage but in your opinion a modified R/T or silverado 454ci Lightining or any truck cannot mess with these type of cars just because they have a good performance numbers from the factory.
I have a much powerful engine with the mods Iīm planning and it will have a lot of traction!
So letīs see it whatīs is gonna happend.
I tell you later.
Jonh
1998 black CC R/T
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jeremy
Dodge Dakota
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9/11/2003
18:49:01
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you said no nos or supercharger. your truck is awesome, i love dakotas too. I love old muscle cars too. The GTO and camero ss's are my favorite. By the way the new S4 comes with a very throaty v8 which i think will not be as cool. YOU WON'T BEAT AN S4. Don't feel bad. I don't feel bad that my car won't pull a boat, or haul furniture. That's why I have a dakota. There is no need to get ignorant and call these amazing vehicles peices of sh!t. Even the biggest dakota enthusist would jump at the chance to drive a porshce or ferrari. Obviously the 360 will be more powerful, but the audi is much lighter. Ask anybody with knowledge of sports cars and they will tell you that the s4 is one of the most tune-able cars on the market. This means that there are more performance mods that can be done to my s4 the there are for my dakota.
if i were you, i'd get your mods done as soon as possible. If you friend has only had his car for a short while then he probably doesn't know how to get the most out of it yet. That said, if he messes up then you might be able to beat him in the 1/4. It takes a pretty good driver to get the car to launch to its potential. It takes some throttle play to the the turbos to spool.
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islanderpc
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9/11/2003
19:48:53
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go to dragtruck.com.
look at all the r/t's and their mods/times.
should give a good idea of what you need.
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SVTJES
Dodge Dakota
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9/11/2003
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Lets see....
The S4 is a great looking car, I definitly give it that, but it is still a 14 second car that can be beat. The neon Srt-4 will post better 1/4 mile times, the evo will post better 1/4 mile times, the WRX sti will post better 1/4 mile times, and all of these cars cost less and handle as good if not better than the S4. These cars stock vs. stock and mod versus mod can and will be faster than an S4. As with all racing it is up to the driver to win the race. A Dakota may not handle near as well, but from a dig off the line with some decent boltons (M1, headers, intake, computer, TB, 1.7 rr, slicks) it could be close. Now from a roll I would pick the S4 as the turbos spool up at the higher rpm range above 2500 rpm.
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jeremy
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9/11/2003
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whoa whoa whoa, where did you get that info? I havn't been able to find any quarte mile times for an s4 that hasn't been heavily modded, so if you could tell me where it says they are a 14 second stock car i'd appreciate it. I do how ever know that according to car and driver the s4 is plenty faster then the wrx. they did a comparison between the s4, m3, and the wrx. I love those guys at C&D. Their choice was the wrx simply because it was cheaper as you said. But, like I said...my dakota (02 SXT) was more expensive then my s4 (it's an 01 and it had 8,000 miles when i got it) and I'm sure an R/T is even more expensive.
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GraphiteDak
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9/11/2003
21:43:52
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I myself hate RICERS, obviously.
But let me tell you that simply being an import certainly does NOT make a Ricer these days. We refer to RICE when you see really gay car/truck modifications. I see DAKOTA's that are Ricers! Honestly most of them are Civic's, Cavilers and the such. But not just any import is Rice! Not too mention an Audi is German, and there is some German blood in our Chryslers these days as well LOL!!!!! However I prefer European styling over Japanese any day. I hate it when people think Acura's and Lexus is true European. Those are Japanese plain and simple!
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SVTJES
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9/11/2003
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Well I just did some very limited research at audiworld.com and found consistent 14.2-14.5 1/4 mile times. This is not to say a high 13 could not pop up, but a WRX STI, not a regular WRX, could handle this car. The EVO and the neon SRT-4 are consistent 13 second cars. There are no stock S4's in Viper territory, but with mods and money anythings possible. Just saying the the tables have turned, you can but alot more car for less money that will run faster stock 1/4 mile times than the s4. The s4 is a great car but by no means is this car the ultimate 1/4 mile machine.
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GraphiteDak
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9/12/2003
00:07:40
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Hey, some guy possibly from this forum posted this on the forum in my website.
It was from some guy calling himself xs boost
"You guys don't have a clue. I have a 92 Mitsubishi Eclipsle awd turbo. It will dust a Z06, Viper, and most muscle cars. I picked it up for $5,000 already done. The guy needed some cash. He spent about $10,000 on the car. It runs 11.80's(in the quarter) on the stock motor and has 120,000 miles on it. If you think that rice is a joke, don't catch youself asleep at the light."
Is this guy for real or should I raise the B.S. flag?
For one I don't know of many boosted (or not) older Mitsubitchi engines to hit over 100k miles and not smoke a bit.
He said it would kill Vipers and ZO6's and muscle cars. I'm sure boost or no boost that thing would not pull like a old hemi.
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jeremy
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9/12/2003
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i've driven an eclipse awd turbo, and it was fun...pretty quick too. I wouldn't be caught in public with one though. If he really did find a way to put 10 large into it then anything is possible. I'd throw the flag though.
Jes, we can agrue all day about whether my car is faster then these other cars, but unfortunatly i live in a pretty small town and there aren't very many fast cars around here. There is an old ferrari, a couple boxters, several z06's, a ton of ricers, a couple wrx's and there used to be an old viper but i think he left town. I've never lost a steet race, but i think a big reason is because the driver of say a vette doesn't think i'm any threat what so ever. to a non enthusiast the s4 is a big sleeper. i'm sure i wouldn't beat a z06 in a real race. I KNOW my car will walk on a wrx, and I'd love to try an m3 though i'm sure i'd lose. you say by no means is this the ultimat 1/4 mile machine. I however would say that with the infinate number of mods availalbe then it IS. Well as much as a daily driver can be.
The original question was about an R/T beating his friends s4. If he mods the hell out of his dak, and his friend can't drive then sure it'll happen. Car and drive tested a stock s4 and 14.1 in the quarter, and at the audi web site they are easily in the 12's. Interestingly car and driver said the v8 didn't seem much quicker ever with 100 more horse.
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