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Pissed Mr.H
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5/16/2003
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Wow, that's all you got with ALL those bolt ons on a 340??????
Duner has the 4.7 5 spd with a single turbo and water/alcohol injection and he does a 12.4!!!!
I'm not knockin the 340, but maybe it's your tranny bein auto or somethin. Hmm
So, YES, there are 4.7's doin that and better.
There's a 3.9 doin a 10.96, there are 1.8 liter Honda's doin 10's all motor!!!!!!
Big f*%$in deal!!! The 360 has more bolt ons available, and the 318 as well.
Sure the 4.7 can do 400 hp all motor, but has anyone done it??? Nope...... Not yet!!
All I want out of mine is about 350 all motor MAX! Any more and that sucker would waste gas like the valdez. The rest will come from forced induction.
I hate this bull$hit!!
Find a better topic to argue, or better yet, do more research on how to make your's faster than it is, cuz I bet MOST of you 5.9's and 5.2's and 5.6's etc. are runnin no better than 14's on a good day without forced induction. That's just not fast. The 340 doin a 12.5 is Vette fast. I consider that fast.
If your 4.7 is faster than that, prove it!! Mine's not yet, but when it is, I'll prove it!!
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paysonbadboy
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5/16/2003
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A FWD Honda doing 10's all motor???
Bullsh1te. I've seen some of the drags and those things are usually built to the hilt and the cars stripped down to NOTHING which makes them COMPLETELY un streetable.
And at that, they usually don't even touch the RWD cars at the track, so most have to race built up VW bugs because they can't hang with the BIG boys!!!
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Mr.H
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5/19/2003
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Usually don't, sometimes, maybe, VW's?????????????
Concrete buddy, not speculation.
I was just stating a point that with enough flow-work 1.8 liters can produce 300 horses at hi rpms.
Of course it's not streetable, but that's why I got a V-8. The 4.7 can turn 340 streetable hp. The 5.9 can turn a little more, but it's all in the breathing. Neither engine breathes well from the factory, and they need mega port work to perform.
My point stands as originally stated, the 5.9 is much cheaper to make fast.
By the way, Duner's setup is NON-intercooled.
HMMMMMMMMM
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Duner
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5/19/2003
12:28:37
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Sorry Mr. H........ my rig is intercooled now. I got my air/water intercooler system on there almost a year ago.
12.27 @ 112.63 mph - 6300' worth of air density. The correction for that puts a smile on my face.
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Mr.H
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5/19/2003
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Sorry, you just hardly ever post anymore...Or maybe under another name???? Hmmmm...... Just kiddin.
Dude, I totally love your setup...
I'm not too up on the whole altitude correction, so what exactly is it for 6300'?????
Here's a few questions to ask the Dune-man...
By the way, what is the max boost you can run??
Are you still on stock internals?
Are you combining water/alcohol injection with the air/water intercooler?
That should be good for now....
I was contemplating a c02 injection system for a super cold intake charge...... Along with a sizeable air/air unit, but how exactly does that water/air unit work as far a daily driving. What I mean is how do you re-cool the water once it's been warmed by the hot intake air behind the turbo.
You never answer all my questions, but maybe it's cuz you don't want to give away secrets. I understand, but I think our philosophy is similar, use hi-quality proven setups.... Hmm
If you want to you can email your response instead to Mr__H@hotmail.com.
I'm super interested in your setup.
PS, are you still running stock head porting?
Do you want to just give me your phone number???
Later,
Matt H. in Little Rock.........
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litlpunisher
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5/19/2003
16:49:50
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MR H If you could read the only times i have posted are for my 5.2 318. All these mods don't have a time on them. What i'm saying is THE 12.9 @104 WAS ON A 318 (5.2l) The 340 has not been down the track yet. I'm waiting for my accel dfi system to come in. The 340 is fuel injected and is streetable with overdrive a/c.
98 Dakota
Bottle fed 340ci
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litlpunisher
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5/19/2003
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OH yeah old 340 had breathing problems but they don't when you put ported magnum 2.02 r/t heads on with fi m1
98 Dakota
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Duner
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5/20/2003
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The higher the density altitude number, the less oxygen is available for the combustion process. The NHRA correction table doesn't even go as high as 6300', so I used their highest of 5600. Although I will probably never see "perfect" air conditions in my lifetime - that's what the correction factors are based upon and at sea level altitude. With all that being said: my truck on a "perfect" day at sea level should run 11.42 @ 120.86 mph. Will it ever happen? Prolly not.... but it's nice to have something to compare to.
I'm on all stock internals and have run up to about 14psi of boost on many occasions. Could it survive at a higher boost level? I dunno. I might find out sometime, but I'm not THAT interested in finding the absolute limit of stock internals.
I gave up on the water/alcohol injection system. I now just use the air/water intercooler system. It's super effective and there's no need for anything else that I can see. I use my factory AC system to cool my intercooler water supply. Since I live in AZ - I'm already running the air about 80% of the time anyway. It gives me greater than 100% efficiency with my intercooler system and it's perfect for the street. It works pretty well at the track also.
I am still running the stock HO heads....... for now.
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Mr.H
Dodge Dakota
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5/20/2003
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Oh, well, I already eliminated the a/c problem in my truck. I pulled the condenser to make room for a large intercooler. That's a smart idea though!!!! Man that's smart. Maybe that's just the way you do it. Hmm.
About the 340, that sucker probably screams then. I'm still glad that I got a 4.7 though. Next mod??
I dunno.......... Heads Maybe????????????? Turbo setup???????????? Only cash and job will tell. It sucks being poor...... Oh well, soon enough...
Thanks for the replies dudes...
BTW Duner... Do you just have the cold side plumbed through the water passage in the intercooler or how did you do that??? That sounds like the best way to do it. Instead of spraying co2 anytime you want to crank boost... That could get annoying. Maybe both would be totally awesome.. 16 psi????????
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paysonbadboy
Dodge Dakota
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5/21/2003
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Yeah, a 1.8 NOT streetable at crazy RPM's could make lots of HP, but the car would be stripped and the engine so crazy it wouldn't be running down the city streets cruising with the A/C running LOL!!!
Anyway, after all the research I've been doing on the Dakota's and messing with you guys from time to time I FINALLY bought a Dakota the other day.
It will probably NEVER turn into my HOT rod because it's a 2003 4.7 Liter 4X4 Quad Cab fully loaded. I looked for the 5.9 but no one had any.
I do haul my family and Quad in this and go thru the mountains, etc so I guess the 4.7 is probably very suited anyway.
Now I'll just have to curb my HOT rod tendencies and stray from the useless bolt-ons most people would buy. (intake tubes, spacers, etc) When I can afford some BOOST, and have had it for a few years, then maybe I'll take my wrenches to the beast. I've still got another car to play with :-)
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ben rollins
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5/22/2003
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hey paysonbadboy, i should punch u in the face. "I looked for the 5.9 but no one had any." BS BS BS if a real man wanted a 5.9, he would shop around local dealerships, the internet, 4sale mags and find a 5.9 u moron. u just pussied out. ur worse then this guy i know who paid 19k in 2001 for a brand new v6 auto mustang. he said he got auto and the gay blue color b/c they didnt have a manual black one. WTF is wrong with you people? oh yea, intake tubes do help on a NA engine dill weed. ur gonna be one of those guys who saves up 3 grand and goes out and buys the cheapest supercharger and doesnt do anything else, u wont even do headers or catback, just a fcuking blower and u prolly wont even get it with the recommanded ignition.
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00287RC
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5/22/2003
11:29:58
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hey ben rollins, you run your mouth like you are somebody. Why dont you try to voice your opinion with some respect for people on this board.
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Frank
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5/22/2003
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Right untill the reall deal comes out.
Nissan Titan will destory Dodge for good and the rest of you redneck hiks!
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00287RC
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5/22/2003
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that's "hick" thank you
and no nissan truck has ever raised a wall on my phanny.
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5/22/2003
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Funny, the supercharged 2WD Regular cab Fronties can't even break 17s without slicks.
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5/22/2003
22:27:18
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And all that on premium gas!
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paysonbadboy
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5/22/2003
22:52:39
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OK dillhole let me clarify a few things.
I was WAY upside down on my Nissan I traded in. I got a DEAL to get out of it NOW instead of later. The truck I got was a descent deal. If the circumstances would have been different, I could have looked and found a 5.9.
And also, I was referring to the ever popular metal intake tubes you find everywhere which in fact take in HOT air from under the hood, which is 100% a waste of money.
However, my friend and I made home made RAM AIR for his old Chevy BAretta and it made som much of a difference that it matched my ALtima's acceleration when before I could smoke him.
And for more info, I was just in Nissan dealership yesterday to cancel my coverages I had on my Nissan I traded in. They are very friendly at this Nissan dealership and I was telling them I bought a Dakota and too bad they didn't make a REAL truck because the Frontier just wasn't for me. Anyway, they started telling me about their soon to be release Titan, I guess it's called, which is a V8 which plans to KILL the likes of a Toyota Tundra 4.7 Liter.
So, I wouldn't count on the Titan to be like a Frontier if they build them anywhere as good as they make the new 3.5 Liter engines they stick in anything from the 350Z to the Maxima, to the Murano!
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Mr.H
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5/23/2003
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Nissan makes good engines, but a Titan will be heavier than a Dakota, and though I'm positive it'll be a good truck, it won't compete with Dakotas REGARDLESS!!
I know that for sure. It'll just be another SS with 300 plus hp (MAYBE) and 5000 lbs. to carry around.
And by the way, there you have it, A 4.7 running a corrected 11.44 on STOCK INTERNALS!!! And it hasn't grenaded anything yet!!!
I'm not knocking any motor cuz they're all capable of 10's with the right setup, but that's just freakin' FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw a McLaren F1 run an 11.02 or somethin close to that, so that says a LOT!!!!
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paysonbadboy
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5/24/2003
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Since your on the subject I was curious and it's too late for me to search... too tired... but does anyone know what the curb weight is on my 2003 Quad Cab 4.7 Liter 4X4? It sure accelerates a lot faster than I thought it would. The Limited Slip Diff seems to work pretty good too :-)
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TexasTodd
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5/25/2003
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payson,
it should be on the sticker, that was in the window when you bought your truck.
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paysonbadboy
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5/25/2003
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I'll have to look at the sticker then. I think my ol' lady shoved that sticker into the glove box or something. The truck seems to run pretty damn good, but of course it uses twice the gas as my Altima did.
I've built many small blocks, but not newer, smog controlled ones. I think the first thing I will do is install a flowmaster, but leave it single exhaust. I've always had true duals on my RODs, but now a days they're over done (and fake) on these newer cars and trucks not too mention you'd have to run them SMALL to keep the gas hot and the velocity up and small duals don't look to great. A larger single would be better. Other than that I probably will not do too much to the truck because it is our main family vehicle. The other car will be paid off in a year, then I'll attack it with the mods!
About the Nissan, which isn't even out yet, why do you assume it will be 5000 Lbs plus???
You don't think it would be similar to the Dakota in weight?
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nitraking
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5/25/2003
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Nissan = REAL TRUCK, lololol
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Kota
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5/26/2003
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Hey paysonbadboy, I took my '02 'Kota quad cab, 4.7, auto, 2x4, to the track 2 weeks ago. While I was there, I weighed it. Truck alone weighed 4,360 pounds, thats with a 1/2 a tank of gas! Bone stock it turned 16:08.I KNOW thats NOT fast, (my LUV will turn 9's, all motor)! I was just curious to see what it would do.
I Do NOT plan on ANY upgrades. Gonna trade it in on a HEMI, RAM. I need a bigger truck to pull my toys. A '66 GTO, & my '80 LUV.
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paysonbadboy
Dodge Dakota
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5/26/2003
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Kota, I know the LUV is a V8, but was curious if you were running a small block or had wedged in a big block???
I had to clear out my garage today and sold my project P.O.S. EL Camino I had for a few months.
It was a almost stock 350 with the usual 4 barrel edlebrock, intake, headers, etc. I messed around with it for a few months while I made use of it to tow my Quad up the road and any other sh!te I needed to hall. I couldn't resist putting a shift kit in it and using some junk yard 3.42:1 gear swap. With the low 22 inch tires the thing took off like a scalded monkey and would surely kill our stock Dakotas and I only spent a few hundered $$ on it.
It was still a P.O.S. but that goes to show you the days of cheap mods are OVER damn it!!!!
By the way. My 4X4 Dakota seems about even with my 0 to 60 of my Altima, maybe a little slower. I'll have to race a friends car to compare before I really know. However, I notced that going up the very big hills it struggled to do between 80 and 90 MPH where my Altima would do 100 to 110 MPH easy. I am sure the MUCH greater wind drag at high speeds makes a big handicap for my truck! But again, it isn't like I need to drive my truck at those speeds. I don't need any more tickets. And I can finally go of road in the Arizona mountains again :-p
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5/27/2003
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The Titan looks bigger than a brand new extended cab Ram.
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V6Power
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5/27/2003
17:41:34
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If you want good times buy a 3.9L Dakota and MOD it...much faster than a 4.7, 5.2, or 5.9....why did you waste your cash on a V8 Dakota????
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IntenseDak39
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5/27/2003
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LMAO!!!!
1998 Regular Cab V6 Auto
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paysonbadboy
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5/27/2003
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WTF??? That guy HAD to be joking!
Every person on this forum who bought the 3.9 has the same question. How can you get MORE POWER? And the same on going anser was? Buy a V8, or swap a V8 into your truck! LMAO!
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Drift99R/T
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5/28/2003
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PaysonBadBoy-
I'll show you quite a few streetable DAILY DRIVEN 300hp+ FWD Hondas that would be more than willing to slap you around, up and down the track...
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Mr__H
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5/28/2003
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A 3.9?
Power?
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