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Nirami
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10/02/2001
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I have a 1999 Dakota 3.9L CC SLT and I have had to replace my front brake rotors twice already and my third set are already starting to warp again...
I only have 51,000 miles on the Dakota and figured this is not normal, heh. Is anyone else having this problem with their Dakota?
- Mikel
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
10/02/2001
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You might wanna try getting better rotors... like the Powerslots. There was a group buy on them earlier, but it is over now.
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JP
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10/05/2001
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I just had the rotors turned on my wife's '99 Jeep Laredo. The dealer noted that there have been similar problems with them. The fix that has been working has been to change the composition of the pads used. It seems that the original pads generated too much heat in normal use. We don't use it for towing.
I am going to check at my next service to see if a similar fix is suggested for my '01 Dak prior to warpage.
JP
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Dave_K
Dodge Dakota
10/05/2001
22:46:38
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Dude check this forum out that is here... Same topic for hte most part...
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/dea/78.html
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JP
Dodge Dakota
10/06/2001
12:18:52
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DaveK,
You are right. Pretty much the same topic. I think I am going to be even more proactive in checking the type of pads I have on the truck. I still have less than 3000 miles on my Dak but why wait for trouble.
JP
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trex
Dodge Dakota
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4/22/2003
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To all who have this problem....such as myself...three full rotor and caliper replacements before 50,000 miles(1990 Dodge Dakota ext cab); please contact NHTSA. This is a serious safety issue that Chrysler has not addressed properly.
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Texas Todd
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4/22/2003
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yadda, yadda,
how come mine, and others, who have occassionally had a rough pedal, now have a smooth one.
Did the rotor 'rewarp' itself straight? I didn't think so either.
You can keep the build-up off, by keeping the rear brakes it adjustment.
read this, good article:
http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/warped_rotors_myth.htm
It's amazing, what backing up in a safe area several times in a row, and skidding backwards to a stop each time, like once a week, will do for your brakes!
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SXT4ME
Dodge Dakota
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4/22/2003
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Your calibers may be binding up and not releasing the pads all the way. If the pads are in contact with the rotors all the time the rotors will overheat and warp. Maybe you have been applying the brakes to hard coming down from hi speeds? That will warp them fast also.
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PissedHoosier
Dodge Dakota
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4/25/2003
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Just got back from the dealer in Bloomington, IN (never go to them again). They said rotors were warped and needed turning. Before I had gone in for service checked www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov for problems. The rotor issue was listed twice for the 2002 Dakota (more for 2001) so I was aware of the issue before hand. The dealer said warranty would not cover repair since it was after 12 month 12K miles(now right at 12 months-18k miles). Called Chrysler and they said they were not aware of a problem with rotors. It appears that I must be blind and deaf, by looking at this forum. If anything is to be done about this we nead to unite! The Chrysler number is 800-992-1997.
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InDenial
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4/28/2003
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Hey TexassTurd,
Just because you don't have a problem, does not mean it does not exist or that people who have the problem are stupid.
Stop being such a jerk_off. I know you think you own this board but some of your sacrastic and smartass answers put you more in the Chevy camp than the Dodge camp.
FU and have a nice day ..I..
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Brandon
Dodge Dakota
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4/29/2003
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I too have been fighting the rotor situation, 3 times in fact in 39,000 miles. I have a solution that seems to have worked for me: Problem 1 is that Chrysler used 100% hard metallic brake pads (most every manufacturer now does), and Problem 2 is that the rotors are too thin from the factory. The solution to help this problem (definately fixes the squeeling also) is to put a swirl pattern on both sides of the rotors after you have turned them, using a "3-M" brand yellow or red scotch-brite pad, made for orbiting or air sanders (they are 3 inches round). The yellow is more coarse, and the red is light to medium coarse. You can get them from your local body shop supplier or from a local Snap-On or Matco tool truck salesman. They seem to be difficult to find in any hardware store. They are not cheap, and require a special attachment for your sander. The swirl pattern can be made while the rotor is still on the brake lathe, so you can spin it. If you are not a mechanic, or unfamiliar with brake work, let a pro do this! This has not only corrected the noises, but has also corrected the rotor warpage. This is not a "new" idea, just one that oder mechanics seem to have forgotten to pass along to journeyman mechanics. I do however agree with DarkFury about differnt aftermarket rotors, this is just a less expensive alternative that can be done by just about any shop or brake mechanic.
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5/04/2003
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crosshatch
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BigBlue QC
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5/07/2003
08:28:30
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After talking with my parts manager at the dealer I go to and trust, he indicated they have had better luck when replacing pads using the MOPAR value line, which has softer pads, when a brake job is done. Of course he isn't going to recommend an aftermarket pad and I understand that. The factory pads are too hard for the rotors and cause the rotors to heat up faster. Of course, the value line pads will wear faster and there will be more brakedust due to the fact the pads will be wearing more instead of the pads taking it out on the rotors but that is a price I would be willing to pay. Since I haven't had any major problem with my DAK I have no problem sticking with MOPAR products.
In response to what Texas Todd said about adjusting the rear brakes I agree 100%. After 60000 miles I am finally getting pulsation in the brake pedal but after I go to a parking lot and lock up the rear brakes a few times going in reverse to adj. the rear drums the pulsation goes away for a while. Now that the 2003's have 4-wheel discs I wish I had waited one more year to get the DAK as that is what I really wanted but oh well, I will will worry about it in a few years when I trade in this one. Good luck everyone.
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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donpeter64
Dodge Dakota
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5/08/2003
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Has anyone tried ceramic pads? I have been told they do not generate as much heat and last along time. The only down side I think they are very expensive, like $60 a wheel.
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wetback
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5/09/2003
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Main problem is the rotors are sourced from Bosch of good ole mexico, land of cheap labor and junk parts.
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1nice2000dak
Dodge Dakota
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5/10/2003
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Mine were pulsating bad, between 45mph and 30mph. So i went to Checker Auto and bought new rotors and Ceramic Pads. The rotors were around $50 each, and the pads were $69. To new to tell how they last, but i figured what the hell. It beats the dealers price of $105 for the rotors each and $85 for the upgraded pads.
By the way the pads are lifetime and the rotors are conditional (of course).
Next I'm going to put on the vented type rotors if this fails.
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Bryan
Dodge Dakota
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5/10/2003
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Heh Wetback thanks for the info that explains everything! I tried telling the dealer that the rotors were to cheap and that this was a issue with alot of the other manufacturers in the past when they tried to save weight & Denaro's! Of course there defense was the goverment won't let us use the proper pads to cut down on the amount of heat produced! Maybe true but still LAIM! I hope those power slots are'nt made in Tijuana! I doubt it!
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OBXGirl
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5/13/2003
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I have an 02 dak with 20k miles and warped rotors. Had same problem on my old 99 dak. Replaced OEM rotors and pads with the PowerStop Cross Drilled rotors combined with the recommended 911 Extreme Performance pads. I hope this solves the rotor warping problem. Total cost for this fix was $250 (installed them myself in under an hour).
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BigBlue QC
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5/14/2003
17:12:02
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I forgot something in my previous reply. Make sure the lugnuts are torqued to the specs that the manual says. Mine says 85-105 or 115 ft/lbs. Not torquing down with a torque wrench is definetly a road taken that will warp the rotors in a heartbeat. If you watch MOST dealers or private shops, you won't see a torque wrench ever appear when it comes to re-installing the tires back on the truck(or car, makes no difference).
I have been religous about it and finally I am getting some pulsation(60,000 miles). Drilled and slotted rotors may be made for our trucks but they are not meant for the rigors of everyday street driving. They heat up and then cool down, which is harder on them then a racing application where they stay a constant temperature the entire time they are being used.
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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Quadman
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5/15/2003
17:05:47
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Bigblue the only reason they tell you to use a torque wrench is because the company itself knows they put cheap-ass rotors on our trucks that are so thin that if you over-tighten the lugs it warps the rotors! Just buy power-slots, they have been well worth the money.
OPINIONS ARE LIKE....WELL, YOU KNOW THE REST!!
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NotQuiteTrue
Dodge Dakota
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5/16/2003
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The rotors on our trucks are not "cheap-ass". That's a misconception. The power slots will warp eventually if used with a hard pad. It's the pad that's the problem. Hard pads actually cause extreme heat buildup at the surface of the rotor that leads to discoloration, galling (dispostion of surface material) and distortion. It's the constant cycling through the heat range that leads to warping.
Another one of your misconceptions is that over tightening warps rotors. Incorrect. Unequal tightening of the lug nuts can contirbute to warpage because of the above reason, especially when aluminum alloy rims are used. The aluminum distorts quite easily, more so than stamped steel. If the lug nuts are torqued evenly and equally, then the rotors are less prone to warping but they will if too hard a pad compound is used.
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TexasTodd
Dodge Dakota
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5/23/2003
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Big Blue QC,
Thanks for the support, and the good info.
InDenial,
If you READ my previous post, you'd see I too have HAD a pulsating pedal, but not now, for 0 dollars, or work.
Post your name, and email addy, big guy.
Todd Bouton
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wetback
Dodge Dakota
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5/28/2003
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to notquite true.....it IS true.
Yes, these rotors are made with third world cheap mexican labor. They were never properly cured and heat treated at the foundry in Monterry and that is the problem.
On older cars and trucks this was hardly an issue, it is now because a five star bean counter says hey lets cut costs and make these things thinner, use cheap poorly trained labor, and cut manufacturing costs further by skipping steps.
There you have it. A beancounter made his budget but you all have to put up with lousy brakes.
Sad too, once upon a time, Chrysler had the best brakes in the business.
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RacistPig
Dodge Dakota
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5/30/2003
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Do you have anything to back up this claim, other than your racist KKK mind set?
FBI Profile for wetback:
Male, 24 years old, lots of zits, never been laid, has bad B.O., can't get a girl even at the Paralympics, masturbates 43 times/day, was ass raped by his uncle/daddy on numerous occasions, can't find Mexico on a map let alone claim to have been there, is thinking of joining a White Supremisist Movement, has a crush on a Hispanic she-male.
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PissedHoosier
Dodge Dakota
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5/31/2003
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This is not the forum for a racist debate. The user name used was not good but your response is totally unacceptable. I would hope you would refrain from participating in this forum and the other person use a different user name.
The facts expressed in regard to the quality of the rotors and why Chrysler probally chose them to increase their profit is relevant. If this is found to be true and can be used in court maybe we have a chance at a class action suit against Chrysler before someone is injured or killed by their negligance.
When I have time I am going to try to write a letter which everyone can use to send to their senator and state representative. If Chrysler receives no heat from higher up they will ignore the customer and hope no one sues them. Can you say Ford / Firestone?
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GetRealHoover
Dodge Dakota
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5/31/2003
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Boo hoo hoo. I pissed off a Hoover...what the fukc is that, a vacuum cleaner?
1) The statement was made that "Yes, these rotors are made with third world cheap mexican labor. They were never properly cured and heat treated at the foundry in Monterry and that is the problem"
Unless the Racist Pig that made this statement can back it up with some proof, DC's lawyers would rip anybody making such a claim a new a$$hole just for fun...then they would be seeking damages.
2) Has anybody died because their rotors warped? I think not. This situation is hardly comparable to the Ford/Firestone debacle, which was at best 99% media hype and 1% real.
3) Is anybody here truly qualified to state categorically why their rotors warped? I think not. Most of the people here are 16 YO grade school dropouts who are not only uneducated, they are, by and large, just stupid.
My rotors warped, I replaced them with after market parts and now they're finr. Get over it or sell your truck and buy a Chev.
Have a nice day, Mr. Hoover.
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PissedHoosier
Dodge Dakota
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6/01/2003
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Five Words / Nothing Else Needs To Be Said
"You are a real ass"
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wetback
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6/01/2003
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regardless of the username, get a life people. Or are you such crybabies that you get "offended" everytime you see something you don't like?
It's called life, deal with it.
Then grow the phuck up and quit crying.
BTW...the rotors are from Bosch and yes, they do business in Mexico to cut costs. They also cut corners which is why they are junk.
Besides, given the fact that DC's sales are dropping faster than a rock from a cliff, I seriously doubt they would care two sh!ts about this forum. They have bigger fish to fry. And while warped rotors are irritating, its not a safety issue.
Finally, its not necessary to prove WHY the rotors are warped. Just that they are warped and the parts are junk. Period.
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OK Homer
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6/01/2003
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I'm obviously dealing with two retarded apes who think they know more than they do.
Hoover, you suck.
wetback, you're a goof and goofs like you never make it far in life.
Enough with the amateur Parry Masons. When your e-school law degrees come, maybe we can talk.
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dirk digler
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6/01/2003
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Ok homer, why can't you stick with the same name in your posts? Or are you a post-op transvestite with no balls between your legs anymore?
You'd be surprised at how much $$$$ a dude like wetback makes......hee hee hee....
Maybe you should go back to kindergarten and learn to distinguish between facts and BS...or otherwise, turn in your sh!t house law degree, because it ain't worth spit my friend. Like you.
Oink oink.....oink.......oink.......
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Hey
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6/02/2003
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oink...oink...oink
That's the sound your mother made when I shoved my cock up her a$$.
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